My Friend: Check
the above video about how Dalit youngsters are misled by Thirumavalavan
, 08:59 - aravindan:
Hello My Friend
, 08:59 - aravindan: I
watched the video
, 08:59 - aravindan:
Tell me what way Dalit youths are misguided
, 09:00 - aravindan: அடக்கி
ஆளப்பட்ட இனம் மீண்டும் வரும் போது வெடி்த்து வெளியே வரும்
, 09:01 - +91 My Friend: Aravindan if you speak like their caste girls come because if
Incapability What is that? Many friends told me Dalits are taught to target
upper caste girls especially dominant caste in that region they live. I am not
against inter caste marriage but you can't target & achieve Aravindan
, 09:02 - aravindan: 40 வருடங்களில்
ஒரு தலித் கவுண்டர் திருமணம் சாத்தியமாகவில்லை
, 09:03 - +91 My Friend: Sorry you will only understand it if you are directly affected.
In villages a family is complete destroyed by this kind of acts. After last
week murder spoke to many people and all say in one word this.
, 09:03 - aravindan: நடந்த
சில திருமணங்களும் பின்னர் கவுண்டர் இன பெரியவர்களால் அந்த பெண்களுக்கு வேறு திருமணம் செய்து வைக்கப்பட்டது அதைத்தான் திருமா பேசியிருக்கிறார்
, 09:04 - +91 My Friend: Aravindan when you start targeting in choosing girls it's not
love rather they want to say they will marry their girls for money and status
in society
, 09:04 - aravindan:
even if they target girls still believe them and go with them Thats power of
love
, 09:05 - +91 My Friend: I have example in KK nagar VCK guy said to my friend how he
targeted an upper caste girls for 2 years to achieve and he said he will leave
her 5 years time after using her & her money
, 09:05 - aravindan: ஒரே
ஒரு கலப்பு திருமணத்தையாவது கவுண்ட மக்கள் ஏற்றுகொண்டால் ஏன் இந்த நிலமை வரப்போகிறது
, 09:05 - +91 My Friend: Aravindan will see how you react if it happens in your family
, 09:05 - aravindan: தலித்
மக்களை சமமாக ஏற்றுகொள்ளுங்கள்....இதெல்லாம் தானாக மறைந்துவிடும்
, 09:07 - +91 My Friend: Aravindan I am not against Dalits or inter caste marriage but
how come one goes to stage to kill his own daughter. You need to understand the
social implications it involves in their area
, 09:07 - aravindan:
what social implication...Take Shankar's case
, 09:08 - aravindan: He
is qualified ,got the job in hand
, 09:08 - aravindan:
what else you need
, 09:08 - aravindan: why
he was murdered brutally
, 09:08 - +91 My Friend: Sorry Aravindan we can't speak about it until it affects us.
When my brother comes with inter caste marriage proposal my mother said to me I
will not see him ever but due inability she agreed but not many can do that
, 09:09 - aravindan: என்ன
பெரிய சோசியல் பிரச்சினை...என்ன ஊரை வச்சு தள்ளி பைப்பாங்களா
, 09:09 - +91 My Friend: I don't know Shankars case but 21yrs is not right age to get
married in this materialistic life
, 09:09 - +91 My Friend: You never lived in that society neither me so we can't
understand it completely
, 09:10 - +91 My Friend: Entire family is destroyed no one will give or take girls for
marriage they will loose respect is what told to me
, 09:10 - aravindan:
Okay 21 is not the right age.I agree If
thats case the girl's father should have convinced the girl for marriage with
shankar at a later age.He should have given the confidence to the girl
, 09:10 - +91 My Friend: Still saying Aravindan until it affects our family we can't
comment just like that
, 09:11 - +91 My Friend: Aravindan why target a girl from upper caste why not love comes
with same Dalit girls ? Just asking
, 09:11 - aravindan:
Instead he tried to get marry Kausalya to some one(The guy was part of the
murderer gang)
, 09:11 - aravindan: காதலுக்கு
சாதி தெரியாது :)
, 09:12 - +91 My Friend: Then how it differentiates Dalit girls ??
, 09:12 - +91 My Friend: Take example of many inter caste marriages of Dalit boys and
then tell me this statement
, 09:12 - +91 My Friend: I still say until it affects us or our family we can't comment
but killing is not a solution to this problem
, 09:13 - +91 My Friend: Kadhal film was inspired from real life tragedy only
, 09:14 - +1 (203) 918-2862: Folks, our society is still not fully ready for inter-caste marriage,
our family went through many challenges and still going through pain. All
despite my parents accepting it fully
, 09:14 - aravindan: கொஞ்சம்
யோசிங்க பாலாஜி...தலித் பெண்களுக்கு தலித் ஆண்கள் மட்டுமே சாய்ஸ்.....No uppercaste guy will love dalit girls Thats shows
uppercaste guys திமிர்த்தனம்
, 09:14 - +91 My Friend: You need to understand the psyche of a father who goes to an
extent to kill his own daughter
, 09:14 - aravindan: கொழுப்பு
சாதி வெறி வேற ஒரு மயிரும் இல்ல
, 09:14 - +91 My Friend: Haha then love also comes from beauty of girls & money
, 09:15 - +1 (203) 918-2862: But society is getting better, in another 20 years cities will
be fine....village will take another 50 years to overcome this
, 09:16 - +91 My Friend: Aravindan - Devar, Vanniyar, Gounder & Naadar are main
targets & it will have it consequences but killing is not an solution but
back lash will be there. You can't avoid.
, 09:16 - aravindan:
from my wife full of love marriages...Other caste other religion,other race (My
wife's ccousin married a Americal white lady(actually jew)
, 09:16 - Another friend: Aravindan - you are asking for the right thing no doubt, that's
how society should be but its not ready yet. Also none should target a girl
irrespective of the caste
, 09:16 - aravindan:
Fight against back lash rather than killing
, 09:17 - +91 My Friend: No you need to understand the psyche of current generation which
is more vigorous than present one
, 09:17 - aravindan:
Target is the word used by people who oppose this marriage Its a simple love
marriage
, 09:17 - +91 My Friend: Aravindan Ask sara why Vanniyar girls targeted by Dalits
, 09:18 - +91 My Friend: It's not love Aravindan its money and social status
, 09:18 - +91 My Friend: Target and love never coexist
, 09:18 - +1 Another friend: I
have gone through this issue with a personal experience....in our family we
have taken a stand to support it but going through the pain which is not easy
to bear
, 09:18 - +91 My Friend: That's what I say
, 09:18 - aravindan:
Dalits are that cheap My Friend to fall in love for the sake of money
, 09:19 - +91 My Friend: Really then why they target upper caste Aravindan ???
, 09:19 - aravindan: *
are NOT that cheap
, 09:19 - +91 My Friend: Why not love not comes with Dalit girls
, 09:19 - +1Another friend: There is no solution for this outside the family of affected
, 09:19 - aravindan:
please read it as "are NOT cheap"
, 09:20 - aravindan:
Love marriages happen among dalit girls and boys too
, 09:20 - +91 My Friend: I have two cases in our family. My mothers sister who married
inter caster we never seen her or know the family
, 09:20 - aravindan:
Thats not highlighted because nothing great in that for you people
, 09:20 - +91 My Friend: Till now and she was burned to death and that's it our ties
broke
, 09:21 - +91 My Friend: Next my brother since he lives in Dubai and they live separately
nothing known but my entire family still thinks otherwise
, 09:21 - aravindan:
whats wrong why you people against them
, 09:22 - +91 My Friend: Aravindan I too ignorant in this and when I start asking reasons
got answers like this
, 09:22 - aravindan:
what wrong they did
, 09:22 - +91 My Friend: From my friends
, 09:22 - aravindan:
will you kill them?
, 09:22 - +91 My Friend: I may be wrong but I don't know
, 09:23 - +91 My Friend: Aravindan humanity is there why we fight even house to house in
streets to water to water in states to nation to nation on war? Tell me
, 09:23 - +91 My Friend: Every individual is part of that crime
, 09:23 - aravindan: My
Friend ...As you said this younger generation is very much against Dalits not
for these types of marriages,they are not ready to accept the development of
dalits...Thats the fact
, 09:23 - +91 My Friend: Just visit a auto stand and observe and if some other auto guy
stand near that stand they will beat him and send him out
, 09:25 - aravindan: சாதி
வெறியில் இருக்கும் மக்கள் தலித் மக்களின் முன்னேற்றத்தினை தாங்க முடிவதில்லை....அதுதான் உண்மையான காரணம் வேறு எதுமில்லை சும்மா
நாடக காதல் என்று குற்றம் சொல்கிறார்கள்
, 09:26 - +91 My Friend: I disagree completely
, 09:26 - +91 My Friend: 1 marriage is combination to families & it involves a
society
, 09:26 - +91 My Friend: Love marriages often not get that and it's fact
, 09:27 - +91 My Friend: That's why many go for divorce in courts
, 09:27 - +91 My Friend: But now it's more even in arranged because our attitude towards
life
, 09:27 - aravindan: சரி
நாடக காதல் என்றே வைத்துக்கொள்வோம்....நல்ல பையான இருந்தா நீங்களே போய் பொண்ணு கொடு்ப்பிங்களா ...சொல்லுங
, 09:28 - aravindan: தலித்
மக்களுக்கு கோவில் பூசையில் உங்களுக்கு சமமாய் இடம் கொடுங்கள்
, 09:28 - aravindan: தலித்
மக்களுக்கும் மற்றவர்களுக்கு ஒரு சுடுகாடு என்று சொல்லுங்கள்
, 09:28 - +91 My Friend: Aravindan it should start from big leaders who should be an
example and every DK & DMK leaders should have done this as an example for
others to follow and from 1967 we should have changed the society but it never
happened and it will never happen
, 09:29 - aravindan: தலித்மக்களுக்கும் பொது பாதையில் பிணம் எடுத்து செல்ல அனுமதி என்று சொல்லுங்க
, 09:29 - aravindan: இதையெல்லாம்
செஞ்சு முடிச்சுட்டு வாங்க அப்புறம் இந்த காதல் பிரச்சினை குறித்து பேசலாம்
, 09:29 - +91 My Friend: Aravindan that can only be over come by their education and
financial status of them improving which we never allowed and used them as the
vote bank
, 09:30 - +91 My Friend: Then why in last 50yrs of Dravidian life and samuganeethu
ideology failed them instead you people created a reservation and created MBC
OBC
, 09:31 - aravindan: சாதி
வெறியை திராவிட இயக்கங்களால் தடுக்க முடியவில்லை...ஆம் தோல்விதான்
, 09:32 - aravindan: முன்னேற்றத்தினை கொடுத்த திராவிட இயக்க்கங்களால் இதை தடுக்க முடியாமல் போய்விட்டது
, 09:32 - +91 My Friend: Periyar failed but Dravidian groups converted this as vote bank
and Brahmin bashing
, 09:33 - +91 My Friend: All this started with mandal Aravindan
, 09:33 - +91 My Friend: Reservation for SC / ST a must but creating OBC / MBC it created
a big divide in society now Aravindan whether you accept or not
, 09:34 - +91 My Friend: How come Jats / Yadavs / Vanniyar / Devar / Naadar affected and
given OBC MBC status
, 09:35 - +91 Another Friend: தடுக்கமுடியவில்லை என்பது அப்பட்டமான பொய். திராவிட கட்சிகள் தான் இந்த சாதிவெறியை தங்கள் சொந்த ஆதாயங்களுக்காக தூண்டி விடுகிறார்கள்
, 09:35 - +91 My Friend: Instead of uplifting SCST you created a big divide in society
check after 1990 how as society we are divide more than this
, 09:35 - +91 My Friend: Exactly
, 09:35 - +91 My Friend: Very well said
, 09:35 - +91 My Friend: Not a single word uttered by both Karunandihi or Jayalalitha
, 09:36 - +91 My Friend: Veeramani give lecture about reservation but will shut his mouth
when ask about
, 09:36 - +91 My Friend: Aravindan one question - whom did veeramanis daughter or son
married to. Same caste or Dalits. Just asking
, 09:37 - +91 Another friend: Till the so called educated supporters realise that their
present days leaders have a personal agenda this situation will not change
, 09:37 - +91 My Friend: When going gets tough some people stop answering
, 09:38 - +91 Another Friend: They are emotional idiots though they claim to be rational, they
are the most clouded mentally and emotionally
, 09:38 - +91 My Friend: What happened in UP Mayawati ruled the state for 5years did he
lift SC/ST instead she had her own statue across entire state and involved in
huge corruption
, 09:39 - +91 My Friend: Haha you know better than me about Dravidian party
, 09:41 - +91 My Friend: For your eyes only
,
, 10:48 - +91 My Friend: Aravindan your mum on question raised by me why not all
Dravidian leaders not taken Dalit girls for their sons to set an example in
last 50yrs mis rule by them. Hope you don't have any answers and you think we
still live in era of 80s will not question you. Will hound with expecting answers
else don't come for votes to use never ever.
, 10:55 - aravindan: On
work will come back soon
, 11:05 - aravindan: Our
discussion today is not about DK/DMK leaders
, 11:06 - aravindan: Its
about the jaathi veri among BCs/MBCs/FC against SC/ST
, 11:06 - aravindan:
Please lets discuss around that subject
, 11:07 - +91 Another friend: When we talk about social equality these morons are
indispensable from any perspective
, 11:07 - aravindan: I
already accepted the DMK/DK fail to control jathi veri though they honestly
worked towards the upliftment of SC/ST and proved it
, 11:07 - +91 Another friend: We
sheepishly you conceal the core - it is the Dravidian parties who nurture these
caste atrocities
, 11:08 - +91Another friend: Then
you have no locus standi to talk about anybody
, 11:08 - aravindan:
they dont nurture instead they fail control or eradicate
, 11:09 - +91 Another friend: no word play with me Aravindan - if I quote IPC then even
keeping quite to a crime or unlawful thing is subscribing to it
, 11:09 - +91 Another friend: If we apply it them these guys are party to the crime
, 11:10 - aravindan: மக்கள்
திருந்தாமல் போனால் கட்சி என்ன செய்யும்
, 11:10 - aravindan: இடைநிலை
சாதிகள் முன்னெப்பும் இல்லாத வகையில் இன்று வெறி பிடித்து ஆடுகின்றன
, 11:10 - +91 My Friend: Sorry Aravindan in 50yrs of Dravidian rule no samuganeethu
happened which is main reason for this caste violence whether you accept or not
throw Dravidian parties away
, 11:11 - +91 Another friend: அப்போ ஏன் திருத்தவந்திருக்கோம்னு சொல்றிங்க
, 11:11 - aravindan: இதுதான்
சாக்கென்று திராவிட இயக்கங்களை நீங்கள் நோண்டி நொங்கு எடுக்கறிங்க
, 11:11 - +91 My Friend: If so why take support of them in last 1 week more than 100
outfits of various caste met Karunanidhi & Stalin
, 11:12 - +91 My Friend: What for? Samuganeethi
, 11:12 - aravindan: சாதி
அமைப்புகள் இருக்கலாம் அதை கட்சிகள் ஆதரிக்கலாம் ஆனால் சாதி வெறியினை திமுக ஆதரிக்காது
, 11:12 - +91 My Friend: Aravindan I asked you why no Dravidian leader set example of
talking Dalit girls for their sons
, 11:12 - +91 My Friend: 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄
, 11:12 - aravindan: அழகிரி
மனைவி என்ன சாதி?
, 11:13 - +91 My Friend: Naan azhuthu konda sirikiraen
, 11:13 - +91 My Friend: Dalit
, 11:13 - +91 My Friend: Maran family who they married ????
, 11:14 - aravindan: வெறி
பிடித்து ஆடும் சாதி வெறியர்களை கண்டிக்காமல் திமுக வை மட்டும் கண்டிப்பதே உங்கள் நியாயமா?
, 11:14 - +91 My Friend: I never said DMK Aravindan I said Dravidian it means Admk DMK
MDMK DK
, 11:14 - +91 My Friend: I never said DMK alone
, 11:15 - +91 My Friend: You asked Azhagiri I given maran family example that's all
, 11:15 - +91 Another friend: Aravindan dravidan parties would have had a relevance 60 years
ago but in today's scenario they are a much greater evil than what was even 200
years ago
, 11:16 - aravindan: கொலை
செய்தவர்களை கண்டிக்காமல் விட்டு விட்டு அவருக்கு என்ன பிரஷரோ என்று ஜஸ்ட் லைக் தட் எப்படி இருக்க் முடிகிறது
, 11:16 - +91 My Friend: I never supported the murderer never ever. He is evil and should
be booked under law
, 11:17 - +91 My Friend: I only said why this happens regularly and for that I spoke to
many and got this as answers I never said the murderer are innocent
, 11:17 - +91 My Friend: Don't twist Aravindan
, 11:18 - aravindan: You
said they have social implication because of this marriage..அப்படி
எதாவது இருந்தா இவன் மட்டும் நாண்டுகிட்டு சாக வேண்டியது தானே
, 11:19 - +91 My Friend: Yes I say that based on speaking to many and based on various
deaths and not just one or two
, 11:20 - +91 My Friend: Aravindan you live in city and you don't have any idea how
people live in villages based on their identity and Society
, 11:21 - aravindan: முன்பு
ஆதிக்க சாதியினர் செய்தார்கள் இப்போது இடைநிலை சாதியினர் செய்கிறார்கள்....தலித் வளர்ச்சியினை பொறுக்க முடியாததன் விளைவுதான் இதெல்லாம்
, 11:24 - +91 My Friend: Their society and status plays big part of their lives
, 11:38 - aravindan: The
underline takeaway is people are not willing to digest the upliftment of SC/ST
, 11:39 - aravindan:
Uppercaste people wanted to play safe by critising few flipflops of DMK there
by indirectly suppress dalits
, 11:39 - +91 My Friend: SC/ST can only be uplifted by education / wealth creation
opportunities and by nothing else
, 11:40 - aravindan: எல்லாம்
சரி ஏன் பொண்ணோ அல்லது பையனோ கொடுக்க மறுக்கறிங்க
, 11:40 - +91 My Friend: Sorry Aravindan if you want to take it as DMK I am not
responsible entire Dravidian leaders are reason for this mess and they should
be eradicated
, 11:40 - aravindan: சரி
எல்லா திராவிட கட்சிகள் என்றே வைத்துக்கொள்வோம்
, 11:41 - aravindan: ஏன்
சமமாய் நடத்த மாட்டேங்கறிங்க என்பது மட்டுமே என் கேள்வி
, 11:41 - +91 My Friend: Start with every Dravidian leader from councillor to Top leader
set an example and system will change else don't advise us what to do
, 11:41 - aravindan: why
few parties alone why not BJP/RSS etc
, 11:43 - +91 My Friend: Every one should do including BJP RSS else they will to face the
same fate Aravindan like Dravidian movement
, 11:45 - +91 My Friend:
11:45 - +91 My friend: Sarvarkar first one to allow all caste in to temple in 1930s Google to found the truth. Also ashok Singha VhP leader who died last month was the one who said without abolishing caste system you can't develop india. You people don't listen to them rather find some rable rousers who speak of Hindutva as the ideology
11:46 - +91 My friend: Even Hindutva needs to grow they need All caste and they should do that to grow. Else they will convert to Christian for money and dole
11:47 - +91 My Friend: Dalit atrocities can only be cured by educating them and giving job and not by political stunts of samuganeethi jokes which failed for last 50yrs
, 11:49 - aravindan: அப்படியென்றால் பி.ஜெ.பி மற்றும் ஆ.எஸ்.எஸ் இயக்கங்கள் கலப்பு திருமணங்களையும் தலித் ஆலய பிரேவேசங்களையும் முன்னெடுக்க வேண்டும் என்று நீங்கள் இன்று முதல் இணையத்தில் எழுதுங்கள்
11:50 - aravindan: இந்து கட்சிகளை முதலில் தலித்துக்கு ஆதரவாய் இருக்க சொல்லுங்கள்
11:52 - +91 My friend: Why should I do Aravindan. I am
No way part of RSS BJP or any Hindu ideology party and never won't and I support only Modi for his development proof what he done to Gujarat and what he is doing to india and if he fails I am the one to criticise it first than questioning others
11:52 - +91 My friend: Since you follow and part of Dravidian movement I am asking you
11:53 - +91 My friend: Else I don't even have any right to question you if you say you are not part of DMK or DK
11:53 - aravindan: கெளரவ கொலைகளை செய்யும் இடைநிலை சாதிகளை இந்து இயக்கங்கள் முதலில் கண்டிக்க சொல்லுங்கள்
11:53 - +91 My friend: I am still saying I don't want to question it
11:56 - aravindan: escape
11:59 - +91 My friend: I was told by another friend Hindutva ideology is very strongly spread in villages among Dalits in last 5 years across india & Tn as told by another friend. Pls ask him
12:00 - +91 My friend: When people who speak of samuganeethi escape by flimsy reasons why should i not escape Aravindan
